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Heads up: this is a duplicate from physics S.E. where it is being treated as off topic. I hope its not a problem that I repost here ?

Question

$\partial_\mu \vec{V} = 0$, does this imply that $\nabla_\mu V^\kappa = 0$ ?

My argument

For any vector $\vec{V}$ we can write that $V=V^\kappa \vec{g_\kappa}$ with $\vec{g_\kappa} = \partial \vec{r}/\partial r^\kappa$ such that:

$$0= \partial_\mu \vec{V} = \partial_\mu(V^\kappa \vec{g}_\kappa) = \partial_\mu (V^\kappa) \vec{g_\kappa} + V^\kappa \partial_\mu(\vec{g_\kappa}) = \partial_\mu (V^\kappa) \vec{g_\kappa} + V^\kappa \Gamma_{\mu\kappa}^\rho \vec{g_\rho} = \partial_\mu (V^\kappa) \vec{g_\kappa} + V^\rho \Gamma_{\mu\rho}^\kappa \vec{g_\kappa} = \nabla_\mu (V^\kappa) \vec{g_\kappa}$$

projecting onto the different basis vectors than gives the result that $\nabla_\mu V^\kappa = 0$

Additional question

If this is true, and we consider a translation in space $\vec{x} \rightarrow \vec{x} + \vec{a}$ with $\vec{a}$ constant. Do we than find that $\nabla_\mu a_\nu = 0$?

gertian
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Not quite, and for two reasons:

1) The quantity $\partial_\mu V $ is not well-defined for $V$ a vector, that is, it transforms in a non-tensorial way under a change of coordinates. Since $\partial _\mu V= (\partial _\mu V^\nu) \partial _\nu$ it is enough to check that $\partial_\mu V^\nu$ does not transform tensorially. To see this consider the following example. Let $V$ be the vector field in $\mathbb{R}^2$, $V=\partial _x$ where $(x,y)$ are the usual Cartesian coordinates. With respect to the coordinate basis $\{\partial_x,\partial_y\}$ we have $V^x=1,V^y=0$ hence all the terms $\partial_\mu V^\nu$, $\mu,\nu\in\{x,y\}$ vanish. Consider however the same vector field in polar coordinates, \begin{equation} \partial_x= \cos\theta\ \partial_r -(\sin\theta/r)\ \partial_\theta. \end{equation} With respect to the coordinate basis $\{\partial_r,\partial_\theta\}$ e.g. $\partial_\theta V^r=-\sin\theta \neq 0$ hence it cannot hold $\partial_\theta V^r = J_\theta ^\mu J^r _\nu\partial _\mu V^\nu$, where $J^\mu_\theta =\partial_\theta V^\mu$, $J^r_\nu = \partial_\nu V^r$, $\mu,\nu\in\{x,y\}$ are (entries of) the Jacobian of the coordinate transformation and its inverse. You can still define and use $\partial_\mu V$ in a fixed coordinate system but that is not very useful. In fact this is the reason for introducing the covariant derivative.

Instead, the partial derivative of a function transforms tensorially as we have, by the chain rule (or the transformation law for 1-forms if you prefer) \begin{equation*} \partial_a f = J^\mu_a \partial_\mu f, \end{equation*} so if it vanishes in a coordinate system it vanishes in all. If it is non-zero it transforms in a controlled way, namely by the Jacobian of the change of bases. This is why we want to work with quantities which transform tensorially.

2) The covariant derivative of a vector field is well-defined, that is independent of the coordinate system. Applied to a function (as opposed to a tensor) however, it is simply the ordinary partial derivative, so \begin{equation*} \nabla_\mu V^\nu=\partial_\mu V^\nu \neq \nabla_\mu V=\nabla_\mu (V ^\nu \partial_\nu) =(\partial_\mu V^\nu)\partial_\nu +V^\nu \nabla_\mu \partial_\nu =\Big( \partial_\mu V^\rho + V^\nu \Gamma^\rho_{\mu\nu}\Big) \partial_\rho \end{equation*} In fact, the extra term in the covariant derivative \begin{equation} \Gamma^\rho_{\mu\nu}= \mathrm{d}x^\rho \Big(\nabla_\mu (\partial_\nu)\Big) \end{equation} is the correction required to obtain an expression which transforms in a tensorial way under changes of coordinates.

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  • I don't underststand why you would say that: $V^\mu \partial_\mu \rightarrow V^\mu J_\mu^\rho \partial_\rho$. I thought that the compontens of a vector would transform as well if we go to a different basis and that these two transformattions cancel ?

    Even shorter: how can $V^\nu \partial_\nu$ not transfrom to $V^a \partial_a$ since that would violate it being a vector wouldn't it ?

    ps: my source onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/9783527618132.app6/pdf

    – gertian May 10 '17 at 16:32
  • You are right, my proof of the fact that $\partial _\mu V$ is not tensorial is wrong, the fact itself is true though, I'll edit my answer. – GFR May 10 '17 at 17:58
  • Thank you very much for you effort but I still fail to understand your argument. You say that $\partial_\mu (V^\rho \partial_\rho) = \partial_\mu(V^\rho) \partial_\rho$ I agree that this is true in carthesian coordinates. But if we work in e.g. polar coordiantes than $\partial_\theta(\partial_\theta) = \partial_\theta(\vec{e_\theta}) = -\vec{e_r}$ isn't it ? – gertian May 10 '17 at 20:45
  • If $\partial_\mu V \mathrm{d}x^\mu$ were a tensor its components with respect to different bases would be related by the appropriate Jacobians. With respect to the Euclidean coordinate basis ${\partial_\mu}$ the components are $\partial_\mu V^\nu = 0$. If it were a tensor, its component with respect to the polar coordinates coordinate basis ${\partial_a}={\partial_r,\partial_\theta}$ should be $\partial_a V^b= J^\mu_a J^b_\nu \partial_\mu V^\nu =0$ but they are not. Hence it is not a tensor. – GFR May 11 '17 at 13:11
  • But I argued that the components of $\partial_\mu (V^\rho \partial_\rho) = \nabla_\mu (V^\rho) \partial_\rho$ which is a tensor isn't it ? – gertian May 11 '17 at 14:35
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    You haven't argued. You simply set $\partial_\mu g_k = \nabla_\mu g_k$, which is unjustified, at which point of course you recover the covariant derivative. – GFR May 11 '17 at 15:18
  • I think I get the point. This definition of the Christoffel symbols $\Gamma^\rho_{\mu\nu} = \vec{g}^\rho \partial_\mu \vec{g}_\nu$ takes parrallel transport into account since it ignores the contributions of the new vector field that are orthogonal to the tangent space ? Is this correct ? – gertian May 11 '17 at 15:54
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    There is no canonical way to define the partial derivative of a vector field (e.g. $g_k$) because you need to identify tangent spaces at different points. Parallel transport is a way to do that but depends on extra structure - but if you are using parallel transport you are really taking a covariant derivative, in which case it would be better to use the standard notation. This is probably the same as what you are saying. – GFR May 11 '17 at 16:13
  • Yes I get it now. Thanks again for all your effort ! – gertian May 11 '17 at 16:14