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Whenever I see very complex equations, they look, in a way, beautiful even though I don't understand them. This was directly taken from another question:

"- Definition 1 - Given an open subset $U \subset \mathbb{R}^n$, a smooth differential $p$-form on $U$ is a smooth function $\omega : U \mapsto \bigwedge^p(\mathbb{R}^n)^*$ such that $\omega = \sum_I{f_Ie_{i_1}^* \wedge \cdots \wedge e_{i_p}^*}$ for the smooth function $f_I$ on $U$ and the dual basis $\{e_{1}^*,\ldots,e_{n}^*\}$ of the basis $\{e_1,\ldots,e_n\}$ where $I = \{i_1,\ldots,i_p\} \subseteq \{1,\ldots,n\}$ with $i_1 < \cdots < i_p$. The vector space of all $p$-forms on $U$ is denoted $\Omega^p(U)$. The vector space $\Omega^*(U) = \bigoplus_{p \geq 0}{\Omega^p(U)}$ is the set of all differential forms on $U$."

When I see something like this I always wonder what it is like to understand all of the symbols and notation. Can someone describe this to me? Would understanding these mathematical notations make the beauty of it fade? Or would it grow stronger?

  • Here they're just saying something like: here's are some funny objects I'm going to discuss and here are some squiggly lines for you to know I'm talking about each of them from now on. – Ilham Apr 21 '15 at 00:03
  • Once you understand something the 'mystifying complexity' disappears; however I always found the beauty of mathematics not to be in the aesthetics but in its workings. – Rammus Apr 21 '15 at 00:05
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    I'm not advanced enough to even have a close idea of what that definition is saying but I'd imagine the feeling would just be an extension of when you were 11 and saw your older brothers basic algebra homework. Your mind was blown with all those letters! How could anyone understand that! But now its clear. Same with $\int$ and $\sum$ etc. – Loocid Apr 21 '15 at 00:06
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    @Loocid I always remember the time seeing my cousin's mathematics homework when I saw about 10. (He was in, I assume, Algebra at the time) My mind was blown and could not comprehend these letters being in mathematics. Love that memory – ZTqvhI5vpo Apr 21 '15 at 00:08
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    This question is off topic. – lemon Apr 21 '15 at 00:14
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    I originally found this elsewhere (not hosted on a Cornell server) as an answer to this question, but this is the only version I could find this time around. Either way, it sprang to mind! – pjs36 Apr 21 '15 at 00:14
  • @lemon Than what would the topic be? – ZTqvhI5vpo Apr 21 '15 at 00:16
  • @JamieSanborn see here for what's on topic, and here for what's off. – lemon Apr 21 '15 at 00:18
  • @lemon I see. Well, thank you for pointing this out. – ZTqvhI5vpo Apr 21 '15 at 00:20
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    @pjs36: Original version on Quora: http://www.quora.com/What-is-it-like-to-understand-advanced-mathematics – Zev Chonoles Apr 21 '15 at 00:35
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    @Zach466920 I'm an $8^{th}$ grade kid that is curious about what it is like to understand complicated mathematics. I hadn't even come across the question on Quora (nor have I heard of Quora) before. – ZTqvhI5vpo Apr 21 '15 at 22:59
  • @Jamie On the Internet, no one can tell you're actually a French poodle. Don't be offended when people make all manner of wrong assumptions about you. It often says more about them than it does about you. – Robert Soupe Apr 22 '15 at 02:50
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    If you look at the last page of a math textbook, it's probably hard. If you work your way through the textbook, it's not so bad. – Alex R. Apr 22 '15 at 03:22
  • @JamieSanborn Perhaps I made a bad assumption. BTW I'm 16 so I don't really have much sympathy for the whole age thing ;). – Zach466920 Apr 22 '15 at 14:17
  • @Jamie Nevertheless, obviously a duplicate...just from a different site. Also asked many times on this site. – Zach466920 Apr 22 '15 at 14:18
  • @Zach466920 Okay, well, sorry about getting snappy. Just believe me when I say I really didn't mean to copy anyone or 'rep farm'. I was just curious. :-) – ZTqvhI5vpo Apr 22 '15 at 20:15
  • @JamieSanborn I believe you. – Zach466920 Apr 22 '15 at 20:28

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For me, it feels very simple and logical, and I am always slightly surprised others think it is hard. It gives me some degree of inner balance, slight feeling of fullfilness, satisfaction.

I believe your feelings would gradually change as your knowledge grows, however this is good, and is one of the most attractive aspects of learning.

You would go from "I believe" to "I know" - and the those are two very different levels.

The beauty won't fade, but will be transfigured. Also, new beauty will be revealed.

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    I'm not saying that understanding this would be so hard. I have just never had the experience of learning. (I should probably mention that I am an $8^{th}$ grader currently taking Algebra I) – ZTqvhI5vpo Apr 21 '15 at 00:44
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Specialization is the name of the game in mathematics today, just as is the case in medicine. If you ever have the misfortune of breaking both a shoulder and an ankle, you'll have to talk to twenty different specialists.

There is a joke that maybe you've heard before and you'll certainly hear again. Your local university once invited the world's most renowned expert in category theory to speak at the mathematics colloquium. The presentation was a success. Afterwards, the department chair and some professors went to a restaurant. The department chair picked up the tab. "What's a 20% tip on a \$205.37 bill?" he asked, turning to the category theorist. "Don't look at me," the category theorist said, "I don't do arithmetic."

If you want to lay it on even thicker, you can extend the joke to other practical applications of mathematics for which the category theorist is utterly clueless.

But another thing that you also have to understand is that understanding advanced math in real life is quite unlike what you see on TV. There is no bomb that will blow up if you fail to properly differentiate an integral in the next five minutes. Instead, you have plenty of time to go over the definitions and notations, consult various references, and take your time pondering what it all means. In some cases, you might even be able to contact the author of the article or book and ask for clarification.

In a nutshell, understanding advanced mathematics is outwardly quite boring. Andrew Wiles spent a lot of time alone trying to solve Fermat's last theorem. And when he presented it to the public and a mistake was discovered, it took him a year to fix it, plus help from another mathematician.

Of course I should give the disclaimer that I don't actually understand advanced mathematics, though in a pinch I can bluff my way through.

P.S. Maybe you love typography more than you love mathematics... so in closing, I say unto you: $$\left(\sum_{n = \pi(\phi)}^{\infty} \frac{\phi(\pi(\phi^\pi))}{n!}\right)^{\left(\sqrt{-(\phi(\pi(\phi^\pi)))}\right) \pi}.$$

Robert Soupe
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A humble mathematician might admit he really does not understand any mathematics (I'm being very deliberate with my choice of pronoun here).

What are some mathematical concepts that you think you understand today which you did not understand ten years ago? Review these concepts and ask yourself how complicated and advanced these would have appeared to you ten years ago.

Another thing is that mathematicians, especially on this website, in their zeal to be both precise and concise, often wind up obfuscating simple concepts. For example, the sum of two odd numbers is an even number. This is a simple fact, but there are ways to state it that make it look very complicated and intimidating.

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  • Well, considering that 10 years ago I was about 4 (I probably should've mentioned that). So I didn't understand too much math back then. Either way, I can see what you mean. Thanks for the answer. :-) – ZTqvhI5vpo Apr 21 '15 at 23:05
  • I believe I'm older than both of you. Ten years ago, I did not know what principal ideals are. But even today, I can't say I fully understand ideals, though at the same time I think I must have had some vague awareness of the concept, which does encapsulate certain intuitions most people have. – Robert Soupe Apr 22 '15 at 02:20