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Lets say we have a Euclidean configurations space $\mathbb E^n$ equipped with a smooth inner product $\langle \cdot ,\cdot \rangle$ with positive signature in the tangent space above each point. We have defined a Riemannian manifold.

We can also call this inner product a metric tensor $g$, such that if $g$ acts on two vectors then $g(v,w)$ where $v,w\in T_p\mathbb E^n$ (tangent space to a point $p$).

From general googling and piecing things together I am lead to write another expression for $g$, namely, \begin{equation} \boxed{ g(v,v)=g_{ij}\frac{dx^i}{dt}\frac{dx^j}{dt}} \end{equation} Where, \begin{equation} v=v^ie_i \end{equation} Is this something we can do? My reasoning is that $\|v\|=\sqrt{v\cdot v}=\sqrt{g(v,v)}$ from wikipedia and I have seen (page 5), \begin{equation} \|v\|=\sqrt{g_{ij}\frac{dx}{dt}\frac{dx}{dt}} \end{equation} Therefore is the boxed expression above correct? In addition I am assuming $v=\dot x$. If this is so then I assume that $v$ would have to be the representative of $x$ in $T_p\mathbb E^n$?

For physical application I am trying to understand how the following simple Lagrangian is constructed, \begin{equation} \mathscr L=\frac{1}{2}\sum _{ij}\text{g}_{ij}\dot q^i\dot q^j \end{equation}

I would just add that I am not very confident with tensorial notation, while I realise that on the surface this may look correct I feel I may be trading over important details?

  • As written, this is not a physics question. – ACuriousMind Jul 19 '15 at 18:17
  • Your boxed equation should have a $j$ index in place of one of the $i$ indices. – Kyle Kanos Jul 19 '15 at 18:43
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    @ACuriousMind As it stands I agree the question is lacking physical content but I think we can all agree on the relevance of this area of mathematics? I asked it on the physics SE because I wanted specifically a physicists perspective on the topic. I'm sure I would be baffled by the mathematics forum, although some of the answers on here are way beyond me too haha :) – AngusTheMan Jul 19 '15 at 19:06

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Your boxed equation is that of the line element, not the metric tensor.

For a line element, we can write

$ds^2 = g_{ab} v^a v^b d\lambda^2$,

where we have parametrized some curve by $\lambda$ and $v^a$ are tangent vectors.

If we set

$v^a = \frac{dx^a}{d\lambda}$

then we obtain the standard line element expression:

$ds^2 = g_{ab} dx^a dx^b$.

Recall that the metric tensor is a generalization of the scalar product. What you wrote was an expression of the line element.

UPDATE: What you end up constructing is the Lagrangian of geodesics. That is, consider the Lagrangian function along a path $\Gamma$ described by $x^{m}(\lambda)$, where once again we parameterize the curve $\Gamma$ by $\lambda$. Now, we simply take the Lagrangian function to be: $L = \left(\frac{ds}{d\lambda}\right)^2$, so that for a line element $ds^2 = g_{mn}dx^{m}dx^{n}$, we may write: $L = g_{mn}\dot{x}^{m} \dot{x}^{n}$. You have written this with a $(1/2)$ factor, but, this is usually done for convenience, as I will show below.

The point is once you obtain this Lagrangian, you wish to derive conditions on that path that extremizes:

$\int L d\lambda$.

This is just given by the Euler-Lagrange equations:

$\frac{d}{d\lambda} \left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^{c}}\right) = \frac{\partial L}{\partial x^{c}}$.

In fact, one can show that the Euler-Lagrange equations are precisely the geodesic equations: $\ddot{x}^{e} + \Gamma^{e}_{mb}\dot{x}^{m} \dot{x}^{b} = 0$,

where $\Gamma^{e}_{mb}$ are the standard Christoffel symbols derived from the metric tensor.

Now for the fun part. I used a Lagrangian as is commonly done in G.R.:

$L = g_{mn}\dot{x}^{m} \dot{x}^{n}$,

you stated: $L = \frac{1}{2}g_{mn}\dot{x}^{m} \dot{x}^{n}$,

but does it really matter?

Let us consider the Euler-Lagrange equations for the more general Lagrangian $F(L)$, where $F$ is now any function of $L$ along the path $\Gamma$.

First, note that $\frac{\partial F}{\partial x^{c}} = \frac{dF}{dL} \frac{\partial L}{\partial x^{c}}$,

and

$\frac{\partial F}{\partial \dot{x}^{c}} = \frac{dF}{dL} \frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^{c}}$.

Now, we have that:

$\frac{d}{d\lambda} \left(\frac{\partial F}{\partial \dot{x}^{c}}\right) - \frac{\partial F}{\partial x^{c}} = \frac{dF}{dL} \left[\frac{d}{d\lambda} \left(\frac{\partial L}{\partial \dot{x}^{c}}\right) - \frac{\partial L}{\partial x^{c}}\right] = 0$,

where the last expression in brackets is precisely the Euler-Lagrange equations. So, we can see that our original choice for $L$ will also extremize any $F(L)$ as well along the path.

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    Expressions such as $$ g= \mathrm{d} r^2+f(r) \mathrm{d}\theta^2 $$ are completely standard in mathematics. Even though physicists don't typically use this notation, it is not wrong. Here, ${\mathrm{d} r,\mathrm{d}\theta}$ is the basis dual to the basis ${\partial_r,\partial_\theta}$ of the tangent space. – Danu Jul 19 '15 at 18:57
  • @Danu I know. But $dr^2 + r^2 d\theta^2$ is a scalar quantity by definition, it is not a metric tensor, let alone a tensor in any sense of the word. – Dr. Ikjyot Singh Kohli Jul 19 '15 at 19:02
  • Wrong. Tensors with indices such as the ones one is used to from e.g. general relativity are not really tensors, they're just tensor components. The object $g$ in my expression is the tensor, and its expression in terms of coordinates is nothing but one manifestation of the coordinate-independent object. – Danu Jul 19 '15 at 19:03
  • P.S. This particular example appeared as a metric on my exam on Riemannian geometry last Friday, so I'm quite sure that it's a real metric tensor ;) – Danu Jul 19 '15 at 19:05
  • But you have not specified your example in coordinate-free form. You have very clearly specified a specific chart $(r,\theta)$. A true coordinate-free way to write the metric tensor would be something like $g(U,V)(p) = g_p(U_p, V_p)$ in the neighbourhood of some point p. You have not done this. You have specified a specific metric for a specific coordinate chart and then called it $g$ when you really mean $g_p$. – Dr. Ikjyot Singh Kohli Jul 19 '15 at 19:20
  • Sure, I'll give you that much. I guess I took it to be understood that I was working in $\mathbb{R}^2\setminus{0}$. My point about $g$ being a tensor still stands though, and I think we can both agree that it is essentially correct. :) Anyways, it appears that you do know this stuff so maybe you could just modify your answer a bit to address this point as well, and then we can all be happy about this answer ;) – Danu Jul 19 '15 at 19:23
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    @Danu Yes. I will do this shortly. Glad to be talking to another mathematical physicist also working in GR. – Dr. Ikjyot Singh Kohli Jul 19 '15 at 19:25
  • @Dr.IkjyotSinghKohli Thank you for your answer. Using this expression how could I construct (if indeed I can from this?) the simple Lagrangian in the edited question? – AngusTheMan Jul 20 '15 at 11:20
  • Hello. I will update my answer as it will not fit in the comments section here! – Dr. Ikjyot Singh Kohli Jul 20 '15 at 14:24
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The expression you are asking about (correctly) defines the metric on the diagonal, i.e. on pairs of the form $(v,v)$. This actually is all you need by bilinearity and symmetry: if you know $g(v,v)$, $g(w,w)$ and $g(v+w,v+w)$ you also know $g(v,w)$. Note that what you are really saying is that $v$ is a tangent vector at some point $P$ that is realized as the tangent vector to a parametrized curve (with parameter $t$) whose component functions in your fixed local coordinates are denoted $x^i(t)$.

The Lagrangian you write down is sometimes called the energy functional and its Euler-Lagrange equations are exactly the geodesic equations, i.e. action minimizing curves for this Lagrangian are geodesics, curves that locally realize minimal distance and are parametrized at constant velocity.

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