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I have an equation I need help solving. This is an mechanical engineering question about calculating leak rate. If possible could you walk me through the process to solve this because I want to learn how to do it and not just get an answer.

Here is the equation:

L = 0.7 x 0.000000134std. cc cm/cm^2 sec bar x 1.256in x 449lb/in^2 x 1.35 x 0.20

(L needs to be in std. cc/sec)

Here is the equation explained if you are interested to see what the equation is solving for: http://www.engineersedge.com/fluid_flow/oring_leak_rate_13605.htm

Any help with this would be appreciated! Please let me know if you have any questions.

Walker

  • Welcome to Math.SE! What do you mean by "solve"? What are you trying to solve for? In what context did this problem arise? If you provide more detail it will help other to answer you more clearly and quickly! Also, I recommend using MathJax to clear up you formula, which could be interpreted a few ways on some of the units... see here. – Brevan Ellefsen Jan 15 '16 at 06:13
  • Please format your question using MathJax to make readable – R_D Jan 15 '16 at 06:18
  • Thanks for the comment. I am trying to solve the leak rate of an o-ring as explained in the provided link. I honestly don't know how to clear up the equation, it is a multiplication problem but the units are what really screw me up. – WalkerSeattleRanger Jan 15 '16 at 06:31
  • It's not surprising that the units screw you up: the equation mixes up SI and American units. Besides that, it uses non-standard abbreviation for the units like sec instead of s. – NeitherNor Jan 15 '16 at 07:36
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    What I recommend is to start all over again with writing down the formula for L exactly as stated in the link you provided. Below that, write the value of each variable separately. Then, convert everything to SI units, with e.g. $1bar=10^5Pa$, $1in=0.0254 m$, $1lb=0.45kg$, $1cm=10^{-2}m$, ... After having done so, solving the equation should become trivial. This is because the only challenge of solving for L are the screwed up units (note that many people here are not Americans and have no clue about these non standard units which should anyway never be used in engineering). – NeitherNor Jan 15 '16 at 07:44
  • This doesn't seem to be a math problem. Since it seem to be just a matter of calculating something including some unit conversions I think it's more of a Physics question, or perhaps Engineering. – skyking Jan 18 '16 at 15:25

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Firstly the question is especially confusing as you have used a variety of metric and imperial units including non-standard abbreviations of some. All this compounds the difficulty of the dimensional analysis and getting an answer.

Lets look at the underlying formula:

$$L=0.7F\times D\times P\times Q\times(1-S)^2$$

$F$ is listed as measured in "std. cc cm/cm$^2$ sec bar". This is a very ugly way of writing it. Firstly "cc" is short for cubic centimetre, i.e. cm$^3$. Next bar would be better written as 10$^5$ Pascal (Pa). So putting these bits together gives:

$$\frac{cc\cdot cm}{cm^2\cdot sec\cdot bar}\times10^{-8}=\frac{cm^4}{cm^2\cdot s\cdot 10^5Pa}\times10^{-8}=\frac{cm^2}{s\cdot 10^5Pa}\times10^{-8}=\frac{(10^{-2}m)^2}{s\cdot 10^5Pa}\times10^{-8}=\frac{m^2}{s\cdot Pa}\times10^{-17}$$

$D$ needs to be converted to metres. $1.256in=0.0319024m$.

$P$ has its problems too as $lb/in^2$ is a terrible unit for pressure as $lb$ can mean both mass and force which leads to plenty of confusion. Normally in the US measurement system this is written as $lbf/in^2$ where $lbf$ means pound-force to avoid the confusion. $449lb/in^2=3095740Pa$

$Q$ and $S$ are dimensionless coefficients (between 0 and 1) so they don't play any role in performing dimensional analysis. Only in determining the answer.

Dimensional Analysis Ignoring the dimensionless values in the equation gives: $$L=F\times D\times P$$ $$L=\frac{m^2}{s\cdot Pa}\times m \times Pa$$ $$L=\frac{m^3}{s}$$ Dimensionally this is equivalent to $cc/sec$.

Calculation

$$L=0.7 \times 0.000000134std. cc cm/cm^2 sec bar \times 1.256in \times 449lb/in^2 \times 1.35 \times 0.20$$ becomes: $$L=0.7\times 0.000000134\times \frac{m^2}{s\cdot Pa}\times10^{-17}\times0.0319024m\times3095740Pa\times1.35\times0.20$$ $$L=2.5\times10^{-20}\frac{m^3}{s}$$ Converting this to $\frac{cm^3}{s}$ gives: $2.5\times10^{-14} std. cc/s$

I have no idea about what sort of values are realistic when working with O-rings but this sounds on the small side suggesting that some of the values supplied or the formula is incorrect. Given the horrendous mixture of units there could be many points of error in its derivation or application.

Ian Miller
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  • I got about $1430$ std. cc/sec. by blindly following the directions on the Web page (as I suppose that formula is meant to be used). The accuracy of this result depends on the accuracy of the numbers in OP's question, but at least this seems to be a little more plausible. – David K Jan 19 '16 at 21:33
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The units are explained in this paragraph from the original source of the formula:

NOTE: For convenience, the formula contains mixed units. It was set up this way because in the United States O-ring diameters are usually given in inches, and pressures in pounds per square inch while permeability figures are usually shown in metric units. The 0.7 factor/constant resolves these inconsistencies.

In other words, the makers of the formula recognized that the units in the formula are a heterogeneous mess; but they find them convenient to use in the context of engineering in the United States, where these are the units in which you would acquire the data. I suspect that a physicist (even in the US) would take a different approach.

If the formula had been stated consistently in all SI units, and users of the formula received their data in mixed SI and common US units, the users of the formula would have to convert each set of data to all SI units before applying the formula. Instead of requiring that, the necessary conversion factors have all been incorporated into the leading factor of $0.7$.

By the way, I think the factor $10^{-8}$ in the formula in the original source is meant to indicate that your $F$ quantity, which you wrote as $0.000000134$, should be written as $13.4$ instead (that is, use the fact that $0.000000134 = 13.4 \times 10^{-8}$, and then consider the factor of $10^{-8}$ to be part of the "units" of the formula). Hence

$$ L = 0.7 \times 13.4 \times 1.256 \times 449 \times 1.35 \times 0.20\ \text{std. cc/sec}$$

if there are no other errors in the numbers.

David K
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