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If the integral of $f(x)$ is $\le$ the integral of $g(x)$ on [a,b], is it true f(c) $\le$ than g(c) for some c on [a,b]?

Please let me know if this is correct:

By the starting conditions,

The integral of $g(x)-f(x)$ is $\ge$ 0 on [a,b]

As the integral is the area under the curve, the Riemann Sum

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The area under the curve is the height times the distance.

Interval (The distance of the interval is always greater than 0).

Thus there are 2 cases:

Case Number 1:

$f(x) \le g(x)$ on all the interval [a,b]

Case Number 2:

$f(x) \le g(x)$ on most of the interval and $f(x) > g(x)$ on some subintervals. If not, the integral of $g(x)-f(x) \not\ge 0$.

Either case it is true that $f(c)$ $\le$ than $g(c)$ for some c on [a,b] Q.E.D.

Ali
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If not (and I assume we are talking about Riemann integrals here), then $h(x) = f(x) - g(x) > 0$ for all $x \in [a,b]$ and using Riemann sums you can show that for all $c_1,c_2 \in [a,b]$ $$\int_{c_1}^{c_2} h(x) \, dx \geqslant 0.$$

Since this is not a strict inequality, we have not yet contradicted the hypothesis.

Since $h$ is Riemann integrable, there exists a point $t$ where $h$ is continuous. Thus, there exists $\delta > 0$ such that $h(x) > h(t)/2 > 0$ for all $x \in [t-\delta,t+\delta] \subset [a,b].$ It follows that

$$\int_a^bh(x) \,dx \geqslant \int_{t-\delta}^{t+\delta} h(x) \, dx > h(t)\delta > 0.$$

This does contradict the hypothesis. Therefore, there must be a point where $f(c) \leqslant g(c).$

RRL
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It suffices to prove that if $h(x)=g(x)-f(x)$ satisfies $\int_a^b hdx\geq 0$, then there exists $c\in[a,b]$ such that $h(c)\geq 0$ by linearity of the integral. By contradiction, assume $g(x)<0$ for all $x\in [a,b]$. Then by the definition, for any tagged partition $\mathcal{P}=\{a=x_0<x_1<\dots<x_n=b, t_i\in[x_{i-1},x_i]\:i\in[1,n]\}$, we have $$R(\mathcal{P})=\sum_{i=1}^n h(t_i)(x_{i}-x_{{i-1}})<0\;\;\;\;\;(1)$$Since $x_i-x_{i-1}>0$ and $h(t_i)<0$, so each term of the sum is less than $0$, and thus there sum is also less than $0$.

Now we consider two scenarios: $\int_a^b hdx>0$ and $\int_a^bhdx=0$. Let $s=\int_a^bhdx$. By definition, the integral is defined if, $\forall \epsilon>0$, there is $\delta>0$ and a tagged partition $\mathcal{P}$ such that $\max(x_{i}-x_{i-1})<\delta$ and $$|R(\mathcal{P})-s|<\epsilon\;\;\;\;\;\;(2)$$ In the first case, $s>0$, choose $\epsilon=s/2$. Then the above condition implies $$R(\mathcal{P})>-\epsilon+s=s/2>0$$which contradicts (1). Now suppose $s=0$. It suffices to prove the negation of (2), which is basically the statement that $R(\mathcal{P})$ cannot get too close to $0$. Since $h$ is Riemann integrable, it is bounded, so $\max(h)<M$ for some $M< 0$. Let $\mathcal{P}$ be any tagged partition. Then $$R(\mathcal{P})=\sum_{i=1}^n h(t_i)(x_i-x_{i-1})\leq M\sum_{i=1}^n(x_i-x_{i-1})= M(b-a)$$because the sum $\sum_{i=1}^n (x_i-x_{i-1})$ is telescoping. So let $\epsilon=-M(b-a)/2$. Then we can find no partition such that $R(\mathcal{P})\in (-\epsilon,\epsilon)$ by the argument I just made (work out the details if you don't see it). So this contradicts integrability, and thus there is $c\in [a,b]$ such that $h(c)\geq 0$.

Edit: As noted in the comments (and a detail I attempted to skirt past), that $h(x)<0$ for all $x\in [a,b]$ does not imply $\sup_{[a,b]}h=M<0$. It could be that $M=0$, in which case my argument doesn't work. In that scenario, using an argument that the function is continuous at some point is probably best. I was trying to do this primarily from the definition.

Edit 2: So it is possible to do this without appealing to continuity, according to this answer. However, their definition of the Riemann integral is much easier to use for this purpose, but it must be possible here as well.

Moya
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  • How do you know there exists $M$ such that $h(x) < M < 0$ for all $x \in [a,b]$? What if $M = 0$ is the least upper bound. – RRL Dec 02 '16 at 05:44
  • Yeah I kind of fudged that one. I was trying to go off of first principles without trying to appeal to a continuity result. I'll think about how to fix that. – Moya Dec 02 '16 at 05:57
  • The problem is that an integral is a supremum (infimum) of lower (upper) sums. Even if $f(x) >0$ without more information we can only conclude $\int_a^b f \geqslant 0.$ Without continuity $f(x) > 0$ only implies $\inf_{[x_{j-1},x_j]} f(x) \geqslant 0 \implies L(P,f) \geqslant 0$. – RRL Dec 02 '16 at 06:05
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Assume not. g=f-e where e is strictly positive.Then the integral of g is the integral of f minus the integral of e . But e is positive so the integral of g is less than the integral of f.

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