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My question is the following : Why is the metric a good tensors that transforms "well".

A "good" tensor is a tensor that transforms like this :

I take a tensor $T^{\mu \nu}_\rho$

I thus have : $T=T^{\mu \nu}_\rho \partial_\mu \partial_\nu dx^{\rho}$

Now, if I change the coordinates, I will have :

(*) $$ \partial_\mu=\frac{\partial \widetilde{x}^{\alpha}}{\partial x^\mu}\widetilde{\partial}_{\alpha} $$ $$ dx^{\rho}=\frac{\partial x^{\rho}}{\partial \widetilde{x}^\mu}d\widetilde{x}^{\mu} $$

And the coordinates of my tensor in the new base $ \{ \widetilde{x} \}$will thus be :

$$ T^{\mu \nu}_\rho \frac{\partial \widetilde{x}^{\alpha}}{\partial x^\mu} \frac{\partial \widetilde{x}^{\beta}}{\partial x^\nu}\frac{\partial x^{\rho}}{\partial \widetilde{x}^\gamma}$$

We say that we have a "good" tensor if it transform well, it means that if I can write :

$$\widetilde{T}^{\alpha \beta}_\gamma=T^{\mu \nu}_\rho \frac{\partial \widetilde{x}^{\alpha}}{\partial x^\mu} \frac{\partial \widetilde{x}^{\beta}}{\partial x^\nu}\frac{\partial x^{\rho}}{\partial \widetilde{x}^\gamma} $$

For example, $ (\partial_\mu \omega_\nu - \partial_\nu \omega_\mu) dx^{\mu}\wedge dx^{\nu}$ with $\omega$ a 1 form is a good tensor because if I start from $ (\partial_\mu \omega_\nu - \partial_\nu \omega_\mu) dx^{\mu}\wedge dx^{\nu}$, and I use the transformations rules (*), I will end with an expression that will simply be $ (\widetilde{\partial}_\mu \widetilde{\omega}_\nu - \widetilde{\partial}_\nu \widetilde{\omega}_\mu) d\widetilde{x}^{\mu}\wedge d\widetilde{x}^{\nu}$.

On the opposite, $(\partial_\mu \omega_\nu + \partial_\nu \omega_\mu)dx^{\mu} dx^{\nu}$ is not a good tensor because if I start from this expression and I transform it using (*), I will end up with an expression that will not be of the form $(\widetilde{\partial}_\mu \widetilde{\omega}_\nu + \widetilde{\partial}_\nu \widetilde{\omega}_\mu)d\widetilde{x}^{\mu} d\widetilde{x}^{\nu}$.

Great.

To summarize : a "good" tensor has a mathematical expression that does'nt change if I write it on a map $ \{ \widetilde{x} \}$ or on a map $ \{ x \}$ : its expression doesn't depend on the map.

Now why is the metric tensor a "good" tensor.

Indeed, if I take for example the metric tensor associated to $ds^2=dx^2+dy^2$. I will have $g_{xx}=g_{yy}=1$ and the 2 others are $0$.

But if I work in polar coordinates, $g_{rr}=1$, $_{\theta \theta}=r^2$ and the 2 others are $0$.

So we see that I must define the metric tensor on a given map first and then I can deduce its expression on other maps. So in fact it is analog to $(\partial_\mu \omega_\nu + \partial_\nu \omega_\mu)dx^{\mu} dx^{\nu}$ : I can define it on a given map and then I deduce its expression on another map. But it is not possible to define the tensor unambigously without referring to any map.

So why do we say that the metric is a "nice" tensor that transform well ?

Is it because we define it as a scalar product. And a scalar product can be defined independently of any choice of basis ?

If possible I would like answers with things that I used in this post (im a big beginner in differential geometry).

StarBucK
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  • A tensor is by definition what you called a "good tensor". Other forms are just sections expressed in local coordinates.

    Generally, a tensor is some multilinear map $f:V\times \cdots\times V\times V^\times \cdots\times V^\to \mathbf R$ over some real vector space $V$.

    – R. Alexandre Apr 13 '17 at 20:53
  • Not for a full answer, but worth to mention. I tend to see the vectors and tensors from the point of view of the invariants you can form with them. In fact, almost all expositions the immediate use is to show invariants are worth their name and often the pivoting point is invariance. This perspective was very useful to understand, first Special Relativity and General Relativity later. The invariant is the (spacelike or timelike) interval between events from where is evident the constancy of speed of light in vacuum and the coordinate transformation is a natural way of preserve that quantity. – Rafa Budría Apr 14 '17 at 15:15

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I think your question is caused by an unclear way to express things that unfortunately is quite common in differential geometry. The way out of the problem is partly indicated in your quesiton already. First of all, as indicated in the comment by @R.Alexandre , what you call a "bad tensor" does not really make sense as an object, so you should avoid the wording when thinking about the problem.

The point is that tensors (or "good tensors" in the language you use) are geometric objects (like vector fields or one-forms). As you already indicate in the quesiton, the problem usually comes up when you try to define "operations" as the two operations you try to define on one-forms. So the "right" way to phrase the question is: "Given a geometric object of a certain type, does the following operation defined using local coordinates lead to a well defined tensor?". So you have to show that carrying out the same steps in a different local coordinate system leads to the same result (just expressed in different coordinates). If the operation does not involve differentiation, then this question boils down to linear algebra. For example the fact that a $\binom11$-tensor field has a well defined contraction which is a smooth function just means that the trace of a linear map from a vector space to itself does not depend on the basis used to obtain a matrix representation of the map. If the operation involves derivatives, then things are much more complicate, since then the freedom in the choice of local coordinates becomes hughe. (You can see this by derivatives of chart changes entering the computations.) Consequently, there are only very few operations which a natural in that sense, like the Lie bracket of vector fields or the exterior derivative. There even are fairly complete classifications of these operations available.

In that sense, you question about the metric is not completly easy to answer. In Riemannian geometry, the metric is defined to be a tensor. The context you mean probably is the one of hypersurfaces in Euclidean space. In this case, as you say, the metric is there as a geometric object (the restriction of the inner product on $\mathbb R^n$ to the tangent spaces of your hypersurface, which are linear subspaces in $\mathbb R^n$), and you just compute the local coordinate expressions of this geometric object.

Andreas Cap
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  • Hello. I still have questions on this old question. Would you agree with my reformulation of what you said. A tensor is a quantity that always transforms with the basis transformation rules involving the derivatives I provided. But there are then two kind of tensors. One that do not need any specific basis to be well defined (the $\partial_{\mu} A {\nu}-\partial{\nu} A {\mu}$), and others that are ill-defined without providing a basis to define them (the $\partial{\mu} A {\nu} + \partial{\nu} A _{\mu}$). Both are mathematically valid, but in the last case I must provide a specific basis – StarBucK Dec 23 '19 at 22:40
  • About the metric, I can see it as falling in the second case: I can define it on the cartesian coordinates and from transformation rules I know it on all kind of basis. But apart from other tools that I probably don't know, I must provide its coordinate on a specific basis to know this quantity, I cannot define it independantly of it like the $\partial_{\mu} A_{\nu}-\partial_{\nu} A_{\mu}$. – StarBucK Dec 23 '19 at 22:47
  • If I am correct with what I said, I would like to know if there are some specific "deep" meaning about well defined tensors (i.e without referring to a specific basis). Physically would they mean for example quantities that are independant on all frame (because same expression in all coordinate system for example) ? – StarBucK Dec 23 '19 at 22:50
  • Unfortunately, this does not make sense. The issue of bases is only a part of the problem. If you want to follow an approach of the form you suggest, you would have to define a "tensor" as a rule to associate to any local coordinate system an appropriate tupel of smooth functions in such a way "it transforms correctly under changes of coordinates". But without these transformation rules such objects don't have a real meaning. There are (few) constructions which lead from objects that transform correctly again to objects that transform correctly and many constructions which don't ... – Andreas Cap Jan 01 '20 at 15:48
  • To me, the right approach seems to be to first make clear to yourself that tensors have an existence as abstract objects without any reference to local coordinates but can be described in terms of local coordinates. The transformation laws then just tell you how the same obeject looks with respect to two different coordinate systems. – Andreas Cap Jan 01 '20 at 15:51