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I have been reading up on pendulums and how to form equations of motion, there is little information available, however, I have found a source which explains and documents a double pendulum example. In the source they form the equations of motion $x_1,y_1, x_2$ and $y_2$ (four equations of motion) all of which make sense.

I have been thinking about a simple pendulum, similar to the example however with one length and mass.

My question is: Is it possible to form two equations of motion for a simple pendulum? And if so any valuable insight and information would be appreciated.

I have cited the source as I thought it would be easier to read from the source. I refer to the first lines on the website where the equations of motion are formed.

This is the source: http://webpages.ursinus.edu/lriley/courses/p212/lectures/node5.html

I hope this makes sense, apologies if not. Thanks in advance.

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    You can use the first two equations in your source – klirk Sep 07 '17 at 10:01
  • @klirk I can see where x_1 comes from, however I don't fully understand where y_1 originates. Also I am familiar with $x'' = -g x/L$ which is a little different from x_1 in the source, are there any relations between these? – this guy123 Sep 07 '17 at 10:12

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You are probably confused because of two reasons. The first one is the definition of $y_1$, which is not the height, but only the displacement from the equilibrium.

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Then by simple trigonometry, $y_1=l-l \cos \alpha$ and $x_1=l \sin \alpha$, which implies $\tan \alpha = \frac {x_1} {l-y_1} $. Or written in cartesian coordinates: $$\vec{x}=l \pmatrix{ \sin \alpha\\1-\cos\alpha}.$$ This implies $$\ddot {\vec x}=l \ddot \alpha \pmatrix{\cos \alpha \\ \sin \alpha}- l \dot \alpha \pmatrix {\sin \alpha \\ \cos \alpha}=l \ddot \alpha~ \vec e_T- l \dot \alpha~ \vec e_l,$$ where $\vec e_T, \vec e_l$ are unit vectors tangential to the circle along which the weight moves resp along $l$.

There are two forces acting on this system: gravity and the centripetal force which keeps the weight on the circular path. Gravity can be split in a linear combination of one part acting along the rope doing no work and one perpendicular to it. We get: $$\vec F=\vec F_g + \vec F_z= -m g \sin \alpha ~\vec e_T + m l \dot \alpha ~\vec e_l.$$

Thus by Newtons's law $\vec F= m \ddot {\vec x}$, which simplifies to $$l \ddot \alpha=-m g \sin \alpha,$$ the equation of motion of the pendulum.
This is a nonlinear differential equation, whose solution is not expressable as a real standard function (see WolframAlpha). However, for most practical purposes it suffices to consider small amplitudes, but then $\sin \alpha \approx \alpha$.
This gives the equation of motion $$\ddot \alpha =-g \frac m l \alpha$$ and since $x_1=l \sin \alpha \approx l \alpha$, we get $$\ddot x_1=- g \frac m l x.$$


The derivation above is cumbersome, because the coordinates $x_1, y_1$ are not really elegant for describing this system. The "natural" coordinate is $\alpha$. So its preferable to work in Lagrange formalismus, because then we do not need to worry about which forces actually do work on the system. The kinetic energy T and the potential energy V of the system are: $$T(\alpha)=\frac 1 2 m v^2(\alpha)= \frac 1 2 m l^2 \dot \alpha^2, \\ V(\alpha)=mg y_2(\alpha)= mgl (1-\cos \alpha),$$ so $$L=T-V=m l [ \frac 1 2 l \dot \alpha^2 - g (1-\cos \alpha)].$$ This gives the Euler-Lagrange equation \begin{align}\frac d {dt} \frac {dL}{d\dot \alpha}&=\frac {dL}{d\alpha}, ~~\Rightarrow~~ \frac d {dt} l \dot \alpha =-g \sin \alpha. \end{align}

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  • thanks for the in depth explanation. It all makes sense to me. But is there only 1 equation of motion for a simple pendulum? – this guy123 Sep 07 '17 at 23:26
  • Depends on what you mean by only one equation of motion. It is true, that the dynamics are completely determined by only one equation (the one with $\alpha$). Of course, if we want to express it in cartesian coordinates, we get $3$ equations, and depending on the angle between the coordinate system and the plane in which the pendulum moves, these equations are more or less complicated. – klirk Sep 08 '17 at 09:27