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Let $A$ be a finite set so: $|A|=j$ and $S$ a relation on $A$.

Prove that there are $i,j\in \mathbb{N}$ that $i>j$ and $S^{i}=S^{j}$.

I tried to prove it with the definition, but without any success.

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This does not have to be true if $\mathbb N$ is allowed to be unfinite.

If e.g. $A=\mathbb N$ and $nSm\iff m=n+1$ then $nS^im\iff m=n+i$ and $i\neq j\implies S^i\neq S^j$.


edit (after edit of question). If $A$ is finite then the number of relations on $A$ is finite so the function on $\mathbb N$ to the set of relations on $A$ prescribed by $i\mapsto S^i$ cannot be injective. This means that $i,j\in\mathbb N$ must exist with $i>j$ and $S^i=S^j$.

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  • Why the function cannot be injective? – kicklog Nov 26 '17 at 10:07
  • If $X$ is infinite and $Y$ is finite then a function $f:X\to Y$ cannot be injective. Do you understand? – drhab Nov 26 '17 at 10:13
  • I can't find a proof for this theorem. I only found that if $X$ and $Y$ are finite sets and if there is an injective function so $|X|=|Y|$ – kicklog Nov 26 '17 at 10:24
  • Can you prove yourself that e.g. a function $f:\mathbb N\to{0,1,2}$ is not injective? This purely on base of the definition of injectivity. – drhab Nov 26 '17 at 10:30
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Suppose not, then for all $i$ and $j$, $S^i\neq S^j$. But now $S^i\subseteq A\times A$ for all $i$, and how many subsets can $A\times A$ even have?

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