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What does mean : An element of $L^p$ is rather an equivalent class that a function ? If $f\in L^p$, why don't we see it as a function (it's always what I did until now, but why is it not totally correct ?) What is the subtlety with these "equivalent class" ?

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    If you define a function in $L^p$, it's defined up to a set of measure $0$. I.e. if $f(x)=e^{-x^2}$ in $L^p$, this mean that $f(x)=e^{-x^2}$ a.e. The problem of this definition, it's if you fix a $x$, you don't really know what is $f(x)$. You cannot really evaluate the function at a given point. – Surb Dec 11 '18 at 12:32

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Let's say you have a measurable function $f \colon X \rightarrow \mathbb{R}$ on $(X,\mu,\Sigma)$. You can say two distinct things about $f$:

  1. The function $f$ is $p$-integrable meaning $\int_X |f|^p d\mu < \infty$. Let's denote the space of $p$-integrable functions on $X$ by $L^p(X,\mu, \Sigma)$.
  2. The function $f$ "belongs to $L^p$". This is actually an abuse of terminology since the space $L^p$ is not a space of functions but a space of equivalence classes $$ \mathcal{L}^p(X,\mu,\Sigma) := L^p(X,\mu,\Sigma) / \sim $$ where $f \sim g$ if and only if $f - g = 0$ a.e. That is, when you say that $f$ belongs to $\mathcal{L}^p$, you actually mean that $[f] \in \mathcal{L}^p(X,\mu,\Sigma)$.

The reason the $\mathcal{L}^p$ spaces are defined as a quotient of actual $p$-integrable functions $L^p$ by an equivalence relation and not just as the spaces of $p$-integrable functions is that you want to turn them into normed vector spaces using the norm

$$ \| f \|_p = \left(\int_X |f|^p \, du\right)^{1/p}. $$

This is not a norm on $L^p$ but only a semi-norm since it is possible that $\| f \|_p = 0$ even though $f \neq 0$. By taking the quotient, the semi-norm descends to an honest-to-god norm on the quotient space $\mathcal{L}^p$.


Thus, an element $f \in L^p(X,\mu,\Sigma)$ is an actual function on $X$ so you can talk about (say) the value of $f$ at a point $x \in X$. However, an element $[f] \in \mathcal{L}^p(X,\mu,\Sigma)$ is not a function on $X$ but an equivalence class of functions on $X$ and so (say) the value of $[f]$ at a point $x \in X$ doesn't make sense (since it is possible that $[f] = [g]$ but $f(x) \neq g(x)$ so the operation of evaluating an equivalence class at a point $x \in X$ is not well-defined).

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This kind of thing occurs frequently in mathematics.

You may say a "rational number" $\frac{7}{12}$ is not the pair $(7,12)$, but rather an equivalence class of such pairs, so that $\frac{7}{12}=\frac{-7}{-12}=\frac{21}{36}=\dots$.

You may say that a "real number" is an equivalence class of Cauchy sequences of rational numbers, where we allow two different Cauchy sequences to represent the same real number. Agreed, this can be confusing, judging from all he questons about whether $0.\overline{9} = 1$ or not.

You may say that $\mathbb C = \mathbb R [X]/(X^2+1)$, so that a complex numbr is an equivalence class of polynomials over the reals. For beginners, we may disguise this by saying: "A complex number is of the form $a+bi$ and for computations use the ordinary rules together with $i^2=-1$".

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  • Sorry, but I don't understand why $7/12$ is an equivalence class, neither why a real number is an equivalence class with Cauchy sequence... neither why $\mathbb C={a+ib\mid a,b\in\mathbb R}$ is an equivalent class... and this form is only for beginner with $i^2=-1$. It's not true that $\mathbb C={a+ib\mid a,b\in\mathbb R}$ ? uuggghhh... – user621345 Dec 11 '18 at 13:32
  • There are several ways to construct $\mathbb{C}$, you can even represent complex numbers by matrices. But I think it should appear clearly to you that if we define $C$ by a quotient field, the elements of this field are equivalence classes. The other examples may require some hindsight on the question. – nicomezi Dec 11 '18 at 14:15
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Let $(X,{\cal A},\mu)$ be a measure space, and let $\mu^*$ be the completion of $\mu.$ IF $f,g\colon X\longrightarrow\mathbb R$ are measurable functions, we usually identify $f$ with $g$ when the set $\{x\in X\,|\,f(x)\neq g(x)\}$ has null $\mu^*$-measure. This identification is actually an equivalence relation. Thanks to it, it is true that$$\lVert f-g\rVert_p=0\iff f\sim g,$$where $\sim$ is the equivalence relation that I have described. Otherwise, we could have distinct functions such that the distance between them would be $0$. That is, $\bigl(L^p(\mu),\lVert\cdot\rVert_p\bigr)$ would not be a normed-vector space.

  • I understand the "reason" of the relation $f=g$ a.e., what I don't understand it's element in $L^p$ are not really functions... For me there are functions, and I don't really understand why they would not be functions... (thank you for your answer btw) – user621345 Dec 11 '18 at 12:34
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    @NewMath: As I said in my comment below your question : If $f$ is defined in $L^p$ (i.e. up to a set of measure 0), you can't evaluate $f$ at a given point. – Surb Dec 11 '18 at 12:37
  • Here why we need to discuss in completion of measure? – Meet Patel Jan 23 '24 at 02:58