I am trying to find a way to express $\frac{13}{17}$ as an infinite series so that I can convert $\frac{13}{17}$ to its base-$3$ counterpart. Could someone please how such an infinite series can be developed? How does one even start solving this problem?
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$\dfrac1{17}=\dfrac1{18}+\dfrac1{18^2}+\dots$ – J. W. Tanner Apr 02 '21 at 03:52
5 Answers
Two options:
- Convert 13 and 17 to base 3 and then do long division in base 3, and then recognize when the process starts repeating
- Find an instance of $3^n - 1$ that is divisible by 17 to write your fraction as having a denominator of $3^n-1$. Note that $\frac1{3^n-1}$ has a simple representation in base 3 (just like $\frac1{10^n-1}$ has a simple representation in base 10).
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1n = 16 works. Note that this is the length of the periodic bit in Brian M. Scott's answer – TomKern Apr 02 '21 at 04:29
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Hint -
Step 1: Find the continued decimal expansion of 13/17.
Step 2: Convert this fraction to base-3, using the known rules for base conversion.
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I think the continued expansion is $0.7647058824...$. Where should I go from here? Could you please elaborate upon "the known rules of base conversion"? – Ricky_Nelson Apr 02 '21 at 03:50
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https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/1665591/converting-decimal-fractions-to-base-n/1665858#:~:text=To%20convert%200.5%20in%20base,the%20decimal%20point%20is%201.&text=Subtract%2013%20from%200.5%20to%20get%200.1666. - might help! – Ishraaq Parvez Apr 02 '21 at 04:01
One way is to divide it out in base three:
0.2021221102010011
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122)111.0000000000000000
102 1
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1 200
1 021
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1020
122
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1210
1021
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1120
1021
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220
122
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210
122
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1100
1021
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200
122
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1000
122
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1010
122
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111
At this point we have the remainder with which we started, so the digits in the quotient will repeat, and the ternary expansion is
$$0.\overline{2021221102010011}\,.$$
Now
$$2021221102010011_{\text{three}}=32\,918\,080$$
and has $16$ digits in base three, so
$$\begin{align*} \frac{13}{17}&=\frac{32\,918\,080}{3^{16}}+\frac{32\,918\,080}{\left(3^{16}\right)^2}+\frac{32\,918\,080}{\left(3^{16}\right)^3}+\ldots\\\\ &=\sum_{n\ge 1}32\,918\,080\left(\frac1{3^{16}}\right)^n\,. \end{align*}$$
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For finding an infinite series, we could try to assume that it has a geometric series representation. Recall that the sum of an infinite geometric series is:
$$S=\frac{u_1}{1-r}$$
where $u_1$ is the first term in the geometric series, and $r$ the common ratio between terms such that $|r|<1$. Suppose we take $u_1=\frac{1}{17}$. Then,
$$\frac{13}{17}=\frac{1}{17}\cdot\frac{1}{1-r}\\$$ $$13=\frac{1}{1-r}\\$$ $$1-r=\frac{1}{13}\\$$ $$\implies r=\frac{12}{13}\\$$
which is indeed less than 1 and positive. Therefore, we may write:
$$\frac{13}{17}=\frac{1}{17}\left(1+\frac{12}{13}+\left(\frac{12}{13}\right)^2+\dots\right)$$
or as a series,
$$\frac{13}{17}=\frac{1}{17}\sum_{n=0}^{\infty}\left(\frac{12}{13}\right)^n$$
Hope this helps!
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Unfortunately, this expansion does not let me deduce the base 3 expansion of $13/17$. – Ricky_Nelson Apr 02 '21 at 03:48
It exists by standard results. For actually finding it, you can just use trial and error, comparing the remainder against multiples of powers of 1/3. $$\frac{13}{17} = \frac23 + \frac5{51} = \frac23 + \frac09 + \frac2{27} + \frac{11}{459} = \frac23 + \frac09 + \frac2{27} + \frac1{81} + \frac{16}{1377} = 0.2021\dots_3$$ Getting a computer to continue for me, we see the partial expansion
0.202122110201001120212211020100112021221102010011202122110201001120212211020100112021221102010011202
i.e.
$$\frac{13}{17} = 0.\overline{2021221102010011}_3$$
Basic python code:
from sympy import *
R=Rational(13,17)
ans='0.'
for i in range(1,100):
if R-2*Rational(1,3**i)>=0:
ans=ans+'2'
R=R-2*Rational(1,3**i)
elif R-Rational(1,3**i)>=0:
ans=ans+'1'
R=R-Rational(1,3**i)
else:
ans=ans+'0'
ans
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One small clarification. How does the term $16/1377$ tell you that the base 3 decimal is going to repeat itself after that point? – Ricky_Nelson Apr 02 '21 at 04:12
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its not repeating at 2021, its much longer. One sec I'll get the full expansion – Calvin Khor Apr 02 '21 at 04:17
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