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After trying to work through some basic proofs of limits, I realized that I have some deficits in my understanding of the difference between equality and existence.

Consider the following two statements:

  1. $$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} f(x) \text { exists}$$

  2. $$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} f(x) = L$$

Now, consider the next two sets of statements:

  1. $$g(x) \text { exists}$$
  2. $$g(x)=L$$

Next, consider these two statements:

  1. $$ f(x) \neq 0 \land g(x) \text { exists } \iff \frac{f(x)g(x)}{f(x)} \text{ exists}$$

  2. $$ f(x) \neq 0 \land g(x)=L \iff \frac{f(x)g(x)}{f(x)}=L $$

Finally, consider these two statements:

  1. $$ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} f(x) \neq 0 \ \land \ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} g(x) \text{ exists} \iff \displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} \frac{f(x)g(x)}{f(x)} \text {exists}$$

  2. $$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} f(x) \neq 0 \ \land \ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} g(x) =L \iff \displaystyle \lim_{x \to a} \frac{f(x)g(x)}{f(x)} =L$$


The reason for the above comments is to better understand the logic that I see employed in proofs that read, for example, like the following question:

Suppose that $\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)$ exists and is $\neq 0$. Prove that if $\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}g(x)$ does not exist, then $\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x)$ does not exist

The straightforward approach for this question works out as:

...because $\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)\neq0$, the following expression simplifies accordingly: $$\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}g(x)=\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}\frac{f(x)g(x)}{f(x)}=\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x)\cdot\frac{1}{\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)}$$ Letting ${\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)}=\alpha$, we then get: $$\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}g(x)=\frac{1}{\alpha}\cdot\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x)$$ $\color{red}{\text {Thus, if we assert that} \displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}g(x) \text{ does not exist, then it must be the case that} \displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x) \text{ does not exist}}$.


My question is about the final $\color{red}{\text{red}}$ statement. This conclusion only makes sense to me if the structure of the proof concludes that:

$$ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} f(x) \neq 0 \ \land \ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} g(x) \text{ exists} \iff \displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x) \text{ exists}$$

The reason the $\color{red}{\text {red}}$ claim makes sense relative to this biconditional is because if the first part of the biconditional is false (by virtue of the assertion that $\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} g(x) \text{ does not exist}$ ), then the second part of the biconditional is false...which means that $\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x) \text{ does not exist}$

However, I am having difficulties seeing how exactly the proof arrived at this aforementioned biconditional. To me, it seems that the proof structure concludes with:

$$ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} f(x) \neq 0 \ \land \ \displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} g(x) = L \iff \frac{1}{\alpha}\cdot\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x)=L$$

If we assert that $\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} g(x) \text{ does not exist}$, then certainly the first part of the biconditional is false. But negating the second part of the biconditional simply produces the statement: $\frac{1}{\alpha}\cdot\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x)\neq L$. This is quite different than claiming that $\displaystyle\lim_{x \to 0}f(x)g(x) \text{ does not exist}$.

Could someone please help me understand what exactly is going on in this proof? Thank you!


Edit: An alternative (and to me more clear) way of writing this proof is as follows:

Suppose $\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} f(x)g(x)=L$

Next, consider that, by assumption, $\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} f(x) = M \neq 0$. Therefore, $\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1}{f(x)}=\frac{1}{M}$.

It is then the case that $\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0} \frac{f(x)g(x)}{f(x)}=\frac{L}{M}$.

But $\frac{f(x)g(x)}{f(x)}=g(x)$ so we could equivalently write:

$\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0}g(x)=\frac{L}{M}$

This is a contradiction to our initial assumption that $\displaystyle \lim_{x \to 0}g(x) \text{ does not exist}$.

S.C.
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  • Not clear at all... "difference between equality and existence" ??? Equality holds between mathematical objects: two numbers, two functions, etc. Existence is the "result" of a proof or calculation: there is no natural number $n$ such that $2n=3$ vs there is a natural number $n$ such that $2n=4$. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Apr 21 '21 at 06:59
  • @MauroALLEGRANZA Hmmm. As a first attempt at cleaning up my question, could you tell me if the following two informal implications "make sense". The first implication is: $$ \text { if 'something' = L, then 'something' exists }$$. My claim is that this implication is always true. The second implication is: $$ \text { if 'something' exists, then 'something' = L } $$. My claim is that this implication is not always true (depending on what L equals). – S.C. Apr 21 '21 at 07:14
  • Basically, we have two steps here: (i) a "conceptual" one: in order to "call" $L$ the limit of $f(x)$ we have to prove that the purported limit exists. "The present King of France" is not a meaningful "name" because currently France is a republic. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Apr 21 '21 at 07:18
  • (ii) a mathematical one: we assume that lim $g(x)$ exists and we derive a contradiction. Conclusion: it does not exist. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Apr 21 '21 at 07:19
  • @MauroALLEGRANZA in the above proof, I do not see where the contradiction arises. Could you please highlight it for me? (It seems like you are saying that this proof is really a "proof by contradiction") – S.C. Apr 21 '21 at 07:23
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    If we already know that lim g(x) does not exists, the expression lim g(x)= something makes no sense. It is like the "fallacy" above: you get a name to something that does not exist. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Apr 21 '21 at 07:38
  • @MauroALLEGRANZA I wrote in an alternative proof (in an edit section) that follows from your input. This structure makes much more sense. What do you suspect the original proof was trying to do? – S.C. Apr 21 '21 at 07:41
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    Waht is not clear to me is if you are considering a "general" logic case (in which case maybe the limit example is not the best one...) or a specific calculus example. It is a result of calculus that if lim f=A and lim g=B then lim fg=AB and (provided that B is not zero) lim f/g=A/B. This is not an iff, if we consider finite limits: we have the well-know example of $\lim_{x \to 0} \dfrac {\sin x }{x}=1$ But $\lim_{x \to 0} \dfrac 1 x$ is not finite. – Mauro ALLEGRANZA Apr 21 '21 at 07:54
  • @MauroALLEGRANZA Okay. Great. That is sort of what I figured, but I received "approval" that the original proof was valid, which is basically the source of my confusion for this entire post hah. (Original post is here: https://math.stackexchange.com/questions/4109346/manipulating-limit-expressions-when-you-are-told-that-the-limit-of-one-of-the-ex) – S.C. Apr 21 '21 at 08:07

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