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I am trying to understand how $(\log n)^{\log n} $ is equivalent to $ n^{\log\log n} $ with respect to how it is derived and the associated logarithm properties/rules that make this possible.

There is a solution located here which appears to be applicable.

The solution provided at the above location is:

$$\log(n)^{\log(n)} = \left ( b^{\log(\log(n))} \right )^{\log(n)}=(b^{\log(n)})^{\log(\log(n))}=n^{\log(\log(n))}$$

assuming the log is base $b$. Since $\log(\log(n))$ is growing, this grows faster than just $n$ which has a fixed exponent.

  1. Is this the correct derivation/solution?
  2. If so, would one be able to provide more details along with the associated logarithmic properties/rules on how this is derived? I have looked in my pre-calculus book from a few years ago to find the applicable logarithm properties/rules but cannot find them or a similar example.
  3. How does $(\log n)^{\log(n)} = ( b^{\log(\log(n))} )$?
  4. How does $ ( b^{\log(\log(n))} ) = (b^{\log(n)})^{\log(\log(n))} $?
  5. How does $ (b^{\log(n)})^{\log(\log(n))} = n^{\log(\log(n))}$?

Any help on this would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much.

Shaun
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Kris
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  • This is a correct derivation, and really all it uses is a definition for the log as the inverse of an exponential function and a power rule $(a^b)^c = a^{bc} = (a^c)^b$ – Stephen Donovan Jun 05 '22 at 18:09
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    Please ask one question at a time. – Shaun Jun 05 '22 at 19:13
  • Also, welcome to [math.se] SE. Take a [tour]. You'll find that simple "Here's the statement of my question, solve it for me" posts will be poorly received. What is better is for you to add context (with an [edit]): What you understand about the problem, what you've tried so far, etc.; something both to show you are part of the learning experience and to help us guide you to the appropriate help. You can consult this link for further guidance. – Shaun Jun 05 '22 at 19:21
  • Thank you @StephenDonovan for clarifying this is a correct derivation and the associated definition this uses. – Kris Jun 05 '22 at 23:18
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    Thank you @Shaun for the warm welcome to Mathematics SE, and your guidance on how to ask for help here. It is very much appreciated.

    Should I edit my original post/question to meet the criteria you listed above such as: providing the context, what I understood about the problem, and what I had tried before asking the question? If so, I will be happy to do so. Please let me know. Thank you again.

    – Kris Jun 05 '22 at 23:22

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It appears you're assuming the base of the logarithms is $b,$ but leaving this out of your expressions makes things confusing to follow, since it's essentially universal that $\log$ means either base-$e$ logarithm or base-$10$ logarithm. Initially I thought there was a typo when $b$ suddenly showed up out of the blue in an expression.

I also find that the type of derivation you have difficulty with being something that is not very "discoverable" in the form shown, since the manipulations are not those one ordinarily makes use of in practice when working with logarithms (unless maybe doing this specific type of problem). For me, it's much more natural to introduce an equation with one side being the expression and, for the other side, introduce some symbol the expression is set equal to, after which you variously rewrite the equation using more standard (and thus more familiar) logarithm properties.

Begin by writing $\;u = (\log_b n)^{\log_b n}.\;$ Now take logarithm-to-base-$b$ of both sides and use basic (non-tricky) logarithm properties:

$$ \log_b u \;\; = \;\; \log_b \, \left[ (\log_b n)^{\log_b n} \right] $$

$$ \log_b u \;\; = \;\; (\log_b n) \cdot \log_b \, [\log_b n] $$

Now solve for $u$ by using the property/definition that $\;``\log_b u = \text{stuff}"\;$ is equivalent to $\;``u = b^{\text{stuff}}"$ (here, for instance) to obtain

$$ u \;\; = \;\; b^{(\log_b n) \cdot \log_b \, [\log_b n]} $$

Recall that $\;b^{(\log_b n)} = n,\;$ this being one of the two fundamental identities for the fact that exponentiation-base-$b$ and logarithm-base-$b$ are inverse functions, namely $\;b^{(\log_b x)} = x\;$ and $\;\log_b(b^x) = x.\;$ The most recent displayed equation above appears to have $\;b^{(\log_b n)}\;$ in it, but not as an isolated term that we can replace with $n.$ However, by using the property $\;A^{BC} = (A^B)^C\;$ we can rewrite that equation in such a way that $\;b^{(\log_b n)}\;$ shows up in a way that allows for replacement by $n.$

$$ u \;\; = \;\; b^{(\log_b n) \cdot \log_b \, [\log_b n]} \;\; = \;\; {\left( b^{(\log_b n)}\right)}^{\log_b \, [\log_b n]} $$

$$ u \;\; = \;\; n^{\log_b \, [\log_b n]} $$

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    Thank you for the well, detailed explanation @DaveLRenfro. This is what I was looking for regarding the derivation and the associated, logarithm properties/definitions. I appreciate your help greatly. – Kris Jun 05 '22 at 23:36