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It appears to me that pull-back on a manifold

If $f: X \to Y$ is a smooth map and $\omega$ is a $p$-form on $Y$, define a $p$-form $f^*\omega$ on $X$ as follows: $$f^*\omega(x) = (df_x)^*\omega[f(x)].$$

is defined by pull-back on the linear space:

Suppose $A: V \to W$ is a linear map. Then the transpose map $A^*: W^* \to V^*$ extends to the exterior algebras, $A^*: \Lambda^p(W^*) \to \Lambda^p(V^*)$ for all $p>0$. If $T \in \Lambda^p(W^*)$, just define $A^* T \in \Lambda^p(V^*)$ by $$A^*T(v_1, \dots, v_p) = T(Av_1, \dots, Av_p)$$ for all vectors $v_1, \dots, v_p \in V$.

So my observation is to put in $df^*$ as $A^*$, $\omega$ as $T$, and $f(x) = (f^1(x), \dots, f^p(x))$ as $v_1, \dots, v_p$: $$f^*\omega(x) = (df_x)^*\omega[f(x)] = \omega(df_x f^1(x), \dots, df_x f^p(x)) = \omega \circ df_x(f^1(x), \dots, f^p(x)).$$

I know it should result in $\omega \circ df_x(x_1, \dots, x_q)$, where $p$ is the dimension of $Y$, and $q$ is the dimension of $X$. But where I messed it up?

Why $\omega[f(x)]$ is $\omega \circ df_x(x_1, \dots, x_q)$, instead of $\omega \circ df_x(f^1(x), \dots, f^p(x))$?


Here's an example showing my confusion, from James S. Cook's answer to the question Intuition about pullbacks in differential geometry

So in his answer, he states:

$$ \Psi^*(\omega)(\partial_1,\partial_2,\partial_3,\partial_4)=\omega (\Psi_*(\partial_1), \Psi_*(\partial_2),\Psi_*(\partial_2),\Psi_*(\partial_4)).$$

I see it reasonable. However, in my textbook, pull-back is defined to be $$f^*\omega(x) = (df_x)^*\omega[f(x)].$$

Therefore, I understand it as: $$ \Psi^*(\omega)(\partial_1,\partial_2,\partial_3,\partial_4)=\omega (\Psi_*(f^1(\partial_1,\partial_2,\partial_3,\partial_4), \cdots, \Psi_*(f^4(\partial_1,\partial_2,\partial_3,\partial_4)).$$

WishingFish
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  • the last equation is incorrect, the $f$ is used to select the differential $4$ form at $f(x)$. What you write would require the number of components for the function to match the degree of the form pulled back. But we might pull-back a 4-form on a 10-dimensional space so it'll be impossible to write that formula.(your last one) – James S. Cook Aug 02 '13 at 07:09

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My answer there simply omits the point-dependence of the form. Let me put in the hideous point-dependence. Let us suppose $\Psi: M \rightarrow N$ and $\omega$ is a $4$-form at $\Psi(x) \in N$. The pull-back of $\omega$ will be a $4$-form at $x \in M$. I wrote: $$ \Psi^*(\omega)(\partial_1,\partial_2,\partial_3,\partial_4)=\omega (\Psi_*(\partial_1), \Psi_*(\partial_2),\Psi_*(\partial_2),\Psi_*(\partial_4)).$$ However, explicitly: $$ (\Psi^*(\omega))_x(\partial_1|x,\partial_2|x,\partial_3|x,\partial_4|x)=\omega[f(x)] (d\Psi_x(\partial_1|x), d\Psi_x(\partial_2|x),d\Psi_x(\partial_3|x),d\Psi_x(\partial_4|x)).$$ Again, the notation $\omega[f(x)]$ indicated we a selecting the $4$-form $\omega[f(x)]$ at the point $f(x)$ of the 4-form-field $\omega$. Unfortunately, we use the term differential form for both the field and the object fixed at a point. This may be part of the confusion. Hope this helps.


The secondary question of what $\partial_j$ denotes requires some discussion. I'll define it by a formula which borrows the differentiation process from the parameter space, however there are several other ways. To be clear, we consider a smooth manifold $M$ with coordinate chart $(x,U)$ and we'll focus on a point $p$. This means $x: U \rightarrow V \subseteq \mathbb{R}^m$ and $x^{-1}: V \rightarrow U$. Let $f \in C^{\infty} (p)$ which means that $f \circ \gamma$ is a smooth curve in $\mathbb{R}^m$ for all curves $\gamma$ through $p \in M$ (for our purposes here this means the derivative I'm about to write exists). We define $$ \frac{\partial}{\partial x^j}{\bigg|}_p (f) = \biggl[ \frac{\partial}{\partial u^j}(f \circ x^{-1}) (u^1, \dots u^m) \biggr]\bigg|_{u=x(p)} $$ where $u^1,\dots,u^m$ are cartesian coordinates of $V$. In words, you take the function $f$ near $p$ and pull it down to a function $f \circ x^{-1}$ on $\mathbb{R}^m$ near $x(p) \in \mathbb{R}^m$. Then do plain-old partial differentiation with respect to $u^j$ and once that is done, plug $u = x(p)$. Of course, this can be phrased in terms of directional derivatives as is done: Partial Derivatives on Manifolds - Is this conclusion right? .

The neat thing about the manifold partial is that the notation hides this subtlety, but is honest for the uniformed. For example, $\frac{\partial x^j}{\partial x^i} = \delta_{ij}$ and the chain-rule (supposing $y$ is another coordinate system at the point considered) is $\frac{\partial f}{\partial x^i} = \sum_{j=1}^m \frac{\partial y^j}{\partial x^i}\frac{\partial f}{\partial y^j}$. These manifold partial derivatives are more commonly called the coordinate derivations because they satisfy the Leibniz rule: $$ \partial_j|p(fg) = \partial_j|p(f)g(p)+f(p)\partial_j|p(g) $$ It is also important to know these form a natural basis for $T_pM$. There is more to say, but I think this suffices for our purposes here.

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  • Thanks James - what are $\partial_i$s? Or, what are $p$-vectors? – WishingFish Aug 02 '13 at 07:59
  • @WishingFish here $\partial_1 = \frac{\partial}{\partial x^1}|_x$ the $x^1$ coordinate derivation (at the point $x$). The same for 2,3, and 4. GP defines these on page ... well, I can't find it. I wonder, maybe you should get a copy of Tu's An Introduction to Manifolds to parallel your study of GP? I'll add the definition of the coordinate partial derivative to my answer shortly, it's too long for here to be pretty. – James S. Cook Aug 02 '13 at 14:55
  • I got it, thank you so much! And thank you very much for your reference!! I'll certainly try to find it and study it! – WishingFish Aug 02 '13 at 21:11
  • @WishingFish it's the first in set of books, the first is by Loring W. Tu, it's mostly just introductory manifold theory, but it's done very well. Then the second volume is the well-known text by Raoul Bott and Loring W. Tu on differential topology. – James S. Cook Aug 03 '13 at 00:49
  • Thank you James. Can I ask - how did you come to interest on low dimensional topology? I am starting to get a flavor of it: hard and exciting. – WishingFish Aug 03 '13 at 03:51
  • @WishingFish quite recently as it happens. A colleague from graduate school happens to be interested and I want to join in on the fun. It's wall-to-wall pull-backs and exterior derivatives etc... I'm just at the start of it currently. It happens to also tie into another question that has nagged me for a while: how do we write a DEqn without coordinates? I'm hoping to write up some notes to do Frenet frames and such from a diff. form perspective this weekend ideally... thanks for the +50, you're very generous. – James S. Cook Aug 03 '13 at 05:29
  • Wow, sounds a lot if fun! What is wall-to-wall pullbacks? – WishingFish Aug 03 '13 at 06:15
  • @WishingFish just a silly English expression. By that I meant the pull-back is used throughout the work. – James S. Cook Aug 03 '13 at 22:01
  • James, I remember you referred me a Tu's book. Is it this one? http://www.amazon.com/An-Introduction-Manifolds-Universitext-Loring/dp/1441973990 – WishingFish Aug 05 '13 at 22:43
  • @WishingFish correct. That is the one. Not too expensive as they go. – James S. Cook Aug 05 '13 at 23:16
  • Thank you! I usually use Google to find the cheapest quote. Mostly end up on eBay! :-D – WishingFish Aug 05 '13 at 23:19