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let $x,y$ such $$2^x+5^y=2^y+5^x=\dfrac{7}{10}$$

prove or disprove $x=y=-1$ is the only solution for the system.

My try: since $$2^x-2^y=5^x-5^y$$

But How can prove or disprove $x=y$?

Greg Martin
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Here is my idea of proving it:

  1. For $x=y=-1$, you can verify that $2^{-1}+5^{-1}=0.7$

  2. In order to refute any other possible solution where $x=y$:

    • You can prove that $f(x)=2^x+5^x$ is monotonously increasing
    • Do it by showing that $f'(x)=2^x\ln2+5^x\ln5$ is always positive
  3. In order to refute any other possible solution where $x \neq y$:

    • You have the following two equations:
      • $5^y=0.7-2^x$
      • $2^y=0.7-5^x$
    • Write down each equation as a simple function:
      • $y=\log_5(0.7-2^x)$
      • $y=\log_2(0.7-5^x)$
    • Prove that if $x \neq -1$, then the functions are not equal:
      • Prove that if $x>-1$, then $\log_2(0.7-5^x)>\log_5(0.7-2^x)$
      • Prove that if $x<-1$, then $\log_2(0.7-5^x)<\log_5(0.7-2^x)$

Here is the graph of both functions, intersecting at $(-1,-1)$:

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Tunk-Fey
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barak manos
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  • I want to emphasize that the method of point (3) only works because you can deduce (1) from (2) (i.e. the derivation used to go from (1) to (2) is reversible). Merely deducing (2) from (1) does not allow point (3) to work: you can merely deduce that if any solution has $x = -1$ then it must have $y = -1$ too. –  Apr 01 '14 at 08:40
  • You haven't shown why they aren't any solutions with $x<-1,y>-1$ or $x>-1,y<-1$. 4 and 5 both show the same thing, that there are no solutions in the upper right and lower left quadrants relative to the known intercept. – Neil W Apr 01 '14 at 10:05
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If $(x,y)$ is a solution, then we have both $2^y=\frac7{10}-5^x$ and $$ 2^y = (5^y)^{\log2/\log5} = \big(\tfrac7{10}-2^x\big)^{\log2/\log5}. $$ So define $f(x)=\frac7{10}-5^x$ and $g(x)=\big(\tfrac7{10}-2^x\big)^{\log2/\log5}$. We want to show that the only place $f$ and $g$ are equal is at $x=-1$; it suffices to show that $f'(x)<g'(x)$ everywhere (to the right of $x=\log_2(0.7)$), or equivalently that $f'(x)/g'(x)<1$.

A calculation shows that $f'(x)/g'(x) = I(x)D(x)$, where $$ I(x) = \bigg(\frac{\log5}{\log2}\bigg)^2\left(\frac{5}{2}\right)^x \quad\text{and}\quad D(x) = \left(\frac{7}{10}-2^x\right)^{1-\log2/\log5} $$ are increasing and decreasing functions, respectively. One can thus show that $I(x)D(x) < 1$ on an interval $[a,b]$ by showing that $I(a)D(b)<1$. In this way, one can show separately on each of the intervals $$ (-\infty,-1.65],\, [-1.65,-1.25],\, [-1.25,-1.05],\, [-1.05,-0.9],\, [-0.9,-0.75],\, [-0.75,\log_2(0.7)] $$ that $I(x)D(x) < 1$. (On the leftmost interval, use $I(x)D(x) < I(-1.65)\lim_{x\to-\infty} D(x)$.)

Greg Martin
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  • I think you meant to say "by showing that $I(b)D(a)\lt1$," not "$I(a)D(b)$" -- you want to use the two biggest values. – Barry Cipra Apr 01 '14 at 20:30
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Write $x=u-v$, $\>y=u+v$ and put $r:={5\over2}$. Then we have to solve the equations $$2^{u-v}+5^{u+v}=5^{u-v}+2^{u+v}={7\over10}\ .$$ Dividing the first equation by $2^u$ we obtain $$(s:=)\qquad 2^{-v} +r^u 5^v = r^u 5^{-v}+ 2^v\ ,$$ or $$r^u(5^v-5^{-v})=2^v-2^{-v}\ .\tag{1}$$ Equation $(1)$ is obviously fulfilled when $v=0$ and $u$ is arbitrary. This corresponds to an arbitrary choice of $(x,y)$ on the line $x=y$ and leads together with the remaining equation to $x=y=-1$.

But this is not all: For given $v\ne0$ equation $(1)$ determines a unique $u\in{\mathbb R}$ by means of $$r^u={2^v-2^{-v}\over 5^v-5^{-v}}\ ,\tag{2}$$ and for this value of $u$ (an even function of $v$) we then get $$s={1\over2}\bigl(2^v+2^{-v}+r^u(5^v+5^{-v})\bigr)={10^v-10^{-v}\over 5^v-5^{-v}}\ .$$ With the help of $(2)$ it follows that $$2^u s=\left({2^v-2^{-v}\over 5^v-5^{-v}}\right)^{\!\log 2/\log r}\ {10^v-10^{-v}\over 5^v-5^{-v}}=: f(v)\ .$$

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Plotting $f(v)$ one finds that it is minimal at $v=0$ and assumes the (limiting) value $0.756463$ there, which is $>{7\over10}$. It follows that there are no solutions of the original problem with $v\ne0$.

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Here's $99\%$ of a proof. Unfortunately I'm stuck on the final, crucial $1\%$.

Edit: Having finally understood Greg Martin's answer, I now see how to get unstuck on the crucial $1\%$. I'm inserting the rest of the proof at the pertinent point, but leaving the rest alone. End edit

Note that $2^x+5^y=2^y+5^x$ implies $5^y-2^y=5^x-2^x$, so let's start by considering the "helper" function $h(x)=5^x-2^x$ on $(-\infty,0)$, which is where any solutions to the OP's problem must lie (since ${7\over10}\lt1$). It's easy to see that $h(x)$ is always negative for $x\lt0$, that $h(0)=0$, and that $\lim_{x\to-\infty}h(x)=0$. Furthermore, $h$ has a single minimum:

$$h'(x)=(\ln5)5^x-(\ln2)2^x=0\implies x={\ln\ln5-\ln\ln2\over\ln5-\ln2}\approx-.91936$$

For convenience, let's call this value $c$.

The upshot of this is that the assumption $y\not=x$ for the equation $2^x+5^y=2^y+5^x$ implicitly defines a function $y(x)$ with $(c,0)$ as its domain and $(-\infty,c)$ as its range.

Consider now the function $f(x)=2^x+5^{y(x)}$ on the interval $(c,0)$. The question is, is ${7\over10}$ in the range of this function? Noting that $\lim_{x\to c}y(x)=c$ and $\lim_{x\to0}y(x)=-\infty$, we have $f(c)=2^c+5^c\approx.75646$ and $f(0)=1$. Since ${7\over10}\lt.75646$, we will be finished if we can show that $f(x)=2^x+5^{y(x)}$ doesn't decrease too much from its value of $.75646$ at $x=c$ before it increases to its value of $1$ at $x=0$.

Insertion: $f(x)$ is the sum of the increasing function $2^x$ and the decreasing function $5^{y(x)}$. Much as in Greg Martin's answer, we can show that $f(x)\gt.7$ on an interval $[a,b]$ if we can show $2^a+5^{y(b)}\gt.7$. Some careful calculation with the helper function $h(x)=5^x-2^x$ shows

$$\begin{align} y(-.85)&\gt-1\\ y(-.75)&\gt-1.15\\ y(-.6)&\gt-1.37\\ y(-.5)&\gt-1.6 \end{align}$$

from which we have

$$\begin{align} 2^c+5^{y(-.85)}&\gt 2^{-.91936}+5^{-1}\approx.7287\\ 2^{-.85}+5^{y(-.75)}&\gt 2^{-.85}+5^{-1.15}\approx.71189\\ 2^{-.75}+5^{y(-.6)}&\gt 2^{-.75}+5^{-1.37}\approx.70486\\ 2^{-.6}+5^{y(-.5)}&\gt 2^{-.6}+5^{-1.6}\approx.7359\\ 2^{-.5}+5^{y(0)}&\gt2^{-.5}+0\approx.707 \end{align}$$

which is all we need to conclude that $f(x)\gt.7$ on $[c,0]$. End insertion

In fact it seems likely that $f(x)$ doesn't decrease at all on $(c,0)$, but that's the $1\%$ I'm stuck on. The most I can say is that $2^x+5^y=2^y+5^x$ implies

$$y'={(\ln5)5^x-(\ln2)2^x\over(\ln5)5^y-(\ln2)2^y}$$

and hence

$$\begin{align} f'(x)&=(\ln2)2^x+(\ln5)y'5^y\\ &={(\ln5)^25^{x+y}-(\ln2)^22^{x+y}\over(\ln5)5^y-(\ln2)2^y}\\ &=\left((\ln5)5^{(x+y)/2}+(\ln2)2^{(x+y)/2}\right){(\ln5)5^{(x+y)/2}-(\ln2)2^{(x+y)/2}\over(\ln5)5^y-(\ln2)2^y} \end{align}$$

In this last expression, the factor in front is clearly positive. As for the rest of it the denominator is negative since $y=y(x)\lt c$. We would also have a negative numerator (and hence a strictly increasing function $f$) if we could show that $(x+y(x))/2\lt c$ for all $x\in(c,0)$. But again, I'm stuck. I thought I'd post things anyway, in case someone can fill in the gaps.

Barry Cipra
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