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I am being asked to write the negation of the following statement:

For every $\varepsilon > 0$ there is $T > 0$ such that for every $x \in \mathbb R$ there exists $y$ such that $x < y < x + T$ and such that for all $z \in \mathbb R,$ $|f(z + y) − f(z)| < \varepsilon.$

Firstly I am having trouble with the second part of this definition. Is there supposed to be a $y$ in every interval that satisfies $|f(z + y) − f(z)| < \varepsilon$ for all $z?$ Or can you choose a new $y$ for each $z?$

This is the negation I have so far: For all $T > 0$ there exists $\varepsilon > 0$ such that there exists $x \in \mathbb R$ such that for all $y$ such that $x < y < x+T$ there exists $z \in \mathbb R$ such that $|f(z + y) − f(z)| \geq \varepsilon.$

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First the interpretation: $y$ depends on $x$ (and $T$ and $\epsilon$), but once you pick your $y$, the ineqaulity $|f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon$ must hold for all $z$.

Now your negation: You swapped the $\epsilon$ and the $T$ quantifier. This is no good idea. For all such negation tasks there exists a counterexample that such switching is bad (however, there is no counterexample that shows this for all such tasks at once).

I think the negation ist most easily performed if you write all in quantifier formulas and "mindlessly" (that is: just as a syntactical operation) let the negation percolate from outside to inside. Thus for $$\forall \epsilon>0\colon \exists T>0\colon\forall x\in\mathbb R\colon\exists y\colon (x<y<x+T\land \forall z\in \mathbb R\colon |f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon)$$ or preferably $$\forall \epsilon>0\colon \exists T>0\colon\forall x\in\mathbb R\colon\exists y\in(x,x+T)\colon \forall z\in \mathbb R\colon |f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon$$

we do this: $$\neg\forall \epsilon>0\colon \exists T>0\colon\forall x\in\mathbb R\colon\exists y\in(x,x+T)\colon \forall z\in \mathbb R\colon |f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon\\ \exists \epsilon>0\colon\neg \exists T>0\colon\forall x\in\mathbb R\colon\exists y\in(x,x+T)\colon\forall z\in \mathbb R\colon |f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon\\ \exists \epsilon>0\colon\forall T>0\colon\neg\forall x\in\mathbb R\colon\exists y\in(x,x+T)\colon \forall z\in \mathbb R\colon |f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon\\ \exists \epsilon>0\colon\forall T>0\colon\exists x\in\mathbb R\colon\neg\exists y\in(x,x+T)\colon \forall z\in \mathbb R\colon |f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon\\ \exists \epsilon>0\colon\forall T>0\colon\exists x\in\mathbb R\colon\forall y\in(x,x+T)\colon\neg \forall z\in \mathbb R\colon |f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon\\ \exists \epsilon>0\colon\forall T>0\colon\exists x\in\mathbb R\colon\forall y\in(x,x+T)\colon\exists z\in \mathbb R\colon \neg(|f(z+y)-f(z)|<\epsilon)\\ \exists \epsilon>0\colon\forall T>0\colon\exists x\in\mathbb R\colon\forall y\in(x,x+T)\colon\exists z\in \mathbb R\colon |f(z+y)-f(z)|\ge\epsilon\\ $$

(In other words: Except for thet swpping of the first two quantifiers, you were right)

  • Thank you so much. This is my first time using math stack exchange and the quality and thoroughness of your response is amazing. I really appreciate it. Can I ask you something else: In the future is the nature of this question appropriate for this forum? Is there anything I should improve about how I asked the question? Once again thank you very much, I greatly appreciate the help. – mck619 Oct 08 '14 at 20:55